1 00:00:15,715 --> 00:00:17,720 WENDI REED: This is the notebook. 2 00:00:17,789 --> 00:00:21,624 that Margie Pandos gave us 3 00:00:21,693 --> 00:00:23,562 when he delivered the note. 4 00:00:24,328 --> 00:00:26,061 The note that was at the scene 5 00:00:26,130 --> 00:00:27,699 came out of this notebook. 6 00:00:29,467 --> 00:00:32,101 This is a notebook in which Jennifer 7 00:00:32,170 --> 00:00:34,870 I used to write together with a friend 8 00:00:34,939 --> 00:00:36,604 She wrote something 9 00:00:36,673 --> 00:00:39,975 and when it was over, she gave it to her friend, Kerrie, 10 00:00:40,044 --> 00:00:43,811 and then she responded. I think it's typical 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:46,615 What would a 15 year old girl do? during school. 12 00:00:46,684 --> 00:00:47,686 (GENTLE LAUGHTER) 13 00:00:49,019 --> 00:00:51,721 There is a paragraph that says: 14 00:00:51,790 --> 00:00:53,422 "You may not know this, 15 00:00:53,491 --> 00:00:55,624 but there are big problems in my family." 16 00:00:55,693 --> 00:00:57,960 JENNIFER, ACTRESS: "There are great problems in my family. 17 00:00:58,029 --> 00:00:59,360 WENDI: "Just It doesn't seem like that." 18 00:00:59,429 --> 00:01:00,896 "It just doesn't seem that way." 19 00:01:00,965 --> 00:01:02,031 FROM THE NOTES BY JENIFFER PANDOS 20 00:01:02,100 --> 00:01:03,798 "The tension in my family It's so big. 21 00:01:03,867 --> 00:01:07,169 I don't want too many people to know how I feel deep down, 22 00:01:07,238 --> 00:01:09,938 because I don't care What happens to my family. 23 00:01:10,007 --> 00:01:11,607 We were never a family 24 00:01:11,676 --> 00:01:13,241 and my parents think 25 00:01:13,310 --> 00:01:15,839 what can they do to us a big happy family. 26 00:01:15,908 --> 00:01:18,213 I let them think that is working, 27 00:01:18,282 --> 00:01:20,415 but it's not and never will." 28 00:01:20,484 --> 00:01:22,684 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 29 00:01:22,753 --> 00:01:24,920 WENDI: As we can see, she was having 30 00:01:24,989 --> 00:01:27,222 some kind of problem at home. 31 00:01:27,291 --> 00:01:29,591 The last entry in this notebook 32 00:01:29,660 --> 00:01:32,689 It was made on the ninth February 1987 33 00:01:32,758 --> 00:01:34,763 and there is nothing here that indicates 34 00:01:34,832 --> 00:01:36,898 who was contemplating running away... 35 00:01:36,967 --> 00:01:37,966 DO WE DREAM TOO FAST? 36 00:01:38,035 --> 00:01:39,704 ...or get hurt somehow. 37 00:01:46,911 --> 00:01:49,181 NARRATOR: The burden of proof. 38 00:01:53,084 --> 00:01:55,250 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 39 00:01:55,319 --> 00:01:57,086 (BIRDS SINGING) 40 00:01:57,155 --> 00:01:59,524 NARRATOR: August 20, 2009. 41 00:02:03,823 --> 00:02:05,530 WENDI: This way, have a seat. 42 00:02:07,832 --> 00:02:10,502 WENDI REED RESEARCHER 43 00:02:12,269 --> 00:02:14,169 MARGIE PANDOS: What do you know, Wendi? 44 00:02:14,238 --> 00:02:18,373 Well Ron submitted to a polygraph yesterday. 45 00:02:18,442 --> 00:02:21,577 I'm sure Stephen He told him the result. 46 00:02:21,646 --> 00:02:22,681 He failed it. 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:25,880 Ron told us he failed miserably. 48 00:02:25,949 --> 00:02:28,216 When they talked about where Jennifer was there now, 49 00:02:28,285 --> 00:02:29,484 He drew a sketch. 50 00:02:29,553 --> 00:02:32,187 And they said to him: "Hey, "We can get on a plane now." 51 00:02:32,256 --> 00:02:34,456 He said, "Okay, let's go. I'll show you." 52 00:02:34,525 --> 00:02:37,425 And then he said he couldn't remember what happened. 53 00:02:37,494 --> 00:02:40,732 So, They are interviewing him again. 54 00:02:44,301 --> 00:02:47,506 MARGIE: I can't. Take that in, Wendi. Just... 55 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:50,675 Definitely... 56 00:02:52,309 --> 00:02:54,746 it hurts to the core of me... 57 00:02:55,980 --> 00:02:57,917 for him to do something like that. 58 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:02,587 Well, you know... 59 00:03:04,588 --> 00:03:06,387 I keep thinking who is involved in this 60 00:03:06,456 --> 00:03:08,757 one way or another, Margie. 61 00:03:08,826 --> 00:03:10,458 You wrote the note. 62 00:03:10,527 --> 00:03:12,494 MARGIE: No, Wendi. I didn't write the note. 63 00:03:12,563 --> 00:03:15,631 I would really prefer to have Stephen here now. 64 00:03:15,700 --> 00:03:17,469 -Thank you. -Okay. I'll go look for it. 65 00:03:18,736 --> 00:03:19,905 (OPENS DOOR) 66 00:03:26,105 --> 00:03:28,613 I guess I need a lawyer now. 67 00:03:28,913 --> 00:03:30,112 Just... 68 00:03:30,181 --> 00:03:31,814 you have to... 69 00:03:31,883 --> 00:03:33,281 You just have to tell him. 70 00:03:33,350 --> 00:03:35,350 You have to do it. You already know. 71 00:03:35,419 --> 00:03:39,082 The worst that could happen it's... it's... 72 00:03:39,151 --> 00:03:41,289 that I will go to jail for the rest of my life. 73 00:03:41,358 --> 00:03:44,529 No. No. No. That's not how it is How immunity works. 74 00:03:50,501 --> 00:03:52,571 I know your daughter was 15 years old. 75 00:03:53,137 --> 00:03:54,235 I don't know much about her. 76 00:03:54,304 --> 00:03:55,771 KAREN SHULER RESEARCHER 77 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,106 Except it disappeared. 78 00:03:57,175 --> 00:03:59,775 So the day who saw her for the last time, 79 00:03:59,844 --> 00:04:01,877 what happened at your house? 80 00:04:01,946 --> 00:04:03,815 It was her and I... 81 00:04:05,082 --> 00:04:08,653 and I half remember Ron arriving home, but I'm not... 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,219 I can't assure it. 83 00:04:11,288 --> 00:04:12,520 KAREN SHULER: So you woke up 84 00:04:12,589 --> 00:04:15,023 the next morning to see that it was no longer there? 85 00:04:15,092 --> 00:04:16,624 -That's how it is. -And... 86 00:04:16,693 --> 00:04:19,094 -What happened? -I would have to see again... 87 00:04:19,163 --> 00:04:20,863 these notes. 88 00:04:20,932 --> 00:04:22,097 I wouldn't have to do that. 89 00:04:22,166 --> 00:04:24,634 I know it's been a long time, But I think I would remember. 90 00:04:24,703 --> 00:04:25,601 I would remember it. 91 00:04:25,670 --> 00:04:27,269 STEPHEN PANDOS: You would remember. 92 00:04:27,338 --> 00:04:30,438 I remember... I remember I didn't hear the shower 93 00:04:30,507 --> 00:04:33,675 I try to remember more, but I can't. 94 00:04:33,744 --> 00:04:37,179 KAREN: He waited two days. to call the police. 95 00:04:37,248 --> 00:04:38,548 You went to work. 96 00:04:38,617 --> 00:04:40,415 It's what I had to do. 97 00:04:40,484 --> 00:04:42,846 Why do you say that? Why wasn't I home? 98 00:04:42,915 --> 00:04:44,153 waiting, calling 911, 99 00:04:44,222 --> 00:04:45,991 asking: "Where is my daughter"? 100 00:04:46,624 --> 00:04:48,994 I did what the note said. 101 00:04:50,061 --> 00:04:51,760 Now you have this. Literally, 102 00:04:51,829 --> 00:04:54,062 a pass for "avoid going to jail." 103 00:04:54,131 --> 00:04:56,165 And none of this makes sense! 104 00:04:56,234 --> 00:04:58,637 I know it doesn't make sense, Stephen! 105 00:04:59,737 --> 00:05:02,938 If I remembered everything what happened 22 years ago, 106 00:05:03,007 --> 00:05:04,272 It wouldn't be like that. 107 00:05:04,341 --> 00:05:07,346 I'm putting the pieces together how can i 108 00:05:09,881 --> 00:05:12,147 I know it wasn't you who killed her 109 00:05:12,216 --> 00:05:14,216 but when it doesn't give us 110 00:05:14,285 --> 00:05:16,517 the information you know what we need... 111 00:05:16,586 --> 00:05:19,388 What information do you want? Because I don't have it! 112 00:05:19,457 --> 00:05:21,490 I want to know what happened. 113 00:05:21,559 --> 00:05:23,425 -And I don't know. -And I want to know 114 00:05:23,494 --> 00:05:25,193 Where is Jennifer now? 115 00:05:25,262 --> 00:05:26,662 I don't have the answers. 116 00:05:26,731 --> 00:05:28,564 does this because the polygraph failed 117 00:05:28,633 --> 00:05:30,098 on that specific question. 118 00:05:30,167 --> 00:05:31,666 ♪ (TENSION MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 119 00:05:31,735 --> 00:05:35,037 I think whoever who wrote that note... 120 00:05:35,106 --> 00:05:36,976 -You did it. -No. 121 00:05:38,042 --> 00:05:40,079 No. It was dictated... 122 00:05:41,846 --> 00:05:42,948 for her. 123 00:05:44,381 --> 00:05:46,214 I didn't write the note. 124 00:05:46,283 --> 00:05:47,949 I didn't leave it in the room. 125 00:05:48,018 --> 00:05:50,552 I didn't help Ron to remove the body from the house. 126 00:05:50,621 --> 00:05:52,487 -WENDI: Okay, so... -I didn't help... 127 00:05:52,556 --> 00:05:54,723 So Ron? Did you take the body out of the house? 128 00:05:54,792 --> 00:05:57,462 If he did it, I didn't help him. 129 00:05:58,562 --> 00:06:01,466 If I had the answers, Wendi, 130 00:06:02,233 --> 00:06:03,466 I would give them to you. 131 00:06:03,535 --> 00:06:05,066 Over the years 132 00:06:05,135 --> 00:06:08,440 that you have been talking to me, Have I ever refused? 133 00:06:11,009 --> 00:06:12,611 -Tell me. -Oh really? 134 00:06:13,277 --> 00:06:14,643 -Really? -Oh really. 135 00:06:14,712 --> 00:06:17,880 Cause I know we're going somewhere which Steve has no idea about. 136 00:06:17,949 --> 00:06:20,781 Are you sure you want talk about this? 137 00:06:20,850 --> 00:06:23,418 What about the seven calls What did I do to him? 138 00:06:23,487 --> 00:06:25,424 And instead of returning them... 139 00:06:26,524 --> 00:06:29,558 without knowing if I was going to tell him that I found Jennifer, 140 00:06:29,627 --> 00:06:33,089 instead, he sent an email to Ron 141 00:06:33,158 --> 00:06:35,597 saying: "Wendi Reed called me. 142 00:06:35,666 --> 00:06:38,701 I need to talk to you before I call you back." 143 00:06:38,770 --> 00:06:40,335 -Well, I... -Because I want to know 144 00:06:40,404 --> 00:06:42,538 why did you look for it instead of just calling me. 145 00:06:42,607 --> 00:06:43,806 Well, because number one, 146 00:06:43,875 --> 00:06:47,409 I thought I was aware of the matter. 147 00:06:47,478 --> 00:06:50,045 He was aware of this matter. 148 00:06:50,114 --> 00:06:51,646 STEPHEN: You're involved. 149 00:06:51,715 --> 00:06:53,718 and he is about to face to justice. 150 00:06:55,986 --> 00:06:58,723 STEPHEN: For me, It was one of those moments of... 151 00:06:59,757 --> 00:07:01,456 "Is this really is happening? 152 00:07:01,525 --> 00:07:03,125 Is it really me is this happening?" 153 00:07:03,194 --> 00:07:06,628 When the police tried to catch my mother, 154 00:07:06,697 --> 00:07:09,865 Wendi called my mother seven times 155 00:07:09,934 --> 00:07:11,966 before my mother will return your calls, 156 00:07:12,035 --> 00:07:15,871 and during that period, my mother sent him an email 157 00:07:15,940 --> 00:07:18,473 to my father asking: "What do you want?" 158 00:07:18,542 --> 00:07:20,575 STEPHEN: You're collaborating. with dad 159 00:07:20,644 --> 00:07:22,711 to make sure that the stories match. 160 00:07:22,780 --> 00:07:24,716 -No! -(STEPHEN BUFFING) 161 00:07:25,984 --> 00:07:28,283 I don't like it that take me by surprise. 162 00:07:28,352 --> 00:07:29,884 -I wanted to know... -Why? 163 00:07:29,953 --> 00:07:32,487 -If you have nothing to hide. -I have nothing to hide! 164 00:07:32,556 --> 00:07:34,350 STEPHEN: So, why are you so afraid 165 00:07:34,419 --> 00:07:36,258 -of being taken by surprise? -Because I... 166 00:07:36,327 --> 00:07:37,859 What would have taken her by surprise? 167 00:07:37,928 --> 00:07:39,161 I don't know. 168 00:07:39,230 --> 00:07:40,329 WENDI: What if we called her? 169 00:07:40,398 --> 00:07:42,397 and we told him that we found it? 170 00:07:42,466 --> 00:07:44,666 And that she is alive. And happy and healthy, 171 00:07:44,735 --> 00:07:46,868 and has your grandchildren and all that stuff. 172 00:07:46,937 --> 00:07:48,437 You know, why think the worst 173 00:07:48,506 --> 00:07:51,173 and call dad to find out what happened? 174 00:07:51,242 --> 00:07:52,441 You already know it. 175 00:07:52,510 --> 00:07:53,742 Because you already know that is dead. 176 00:07:53,811 --> 00:07:55,547 STEPHEN: That's right. Exactly. 177 00:07:57,549 --> 00:07:58,883 I have to walk a little. 178 00:07:59,450 --> 00:08:00,516 -Okay. -Mom, 179 00:08:00,585 --> 00:08:02,482 Get me off this roller coaster. 180 00:08:05,989 --> 00:08:08,256 Do you see what it's doing to you? He told her, 181 00:08:08,325 --> 00:08:09,792 He just wants to know the truth. 182 00:08:09,861 --> 00:08:12,188 He will be here for you, 183 00:08:12,257 --> 00:08:13,461 regardless of what he says. 184 00:08:13,530 --> 00:08:15,731 Don't make your parents go to prison 185 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:18,103 will throw it down the drain the relationship with his son... 186 00:08:19,069 --> 00:08:21,469 -I don't know what you want me to say. -For Ron! 187 00:08:21,538 --> 00:08:22,841 I want you to tell the truth! 188 00:08:25,677 --> 00:08:27,609 WENDI: That day was stressful. 189 00:08:27,678 --> 00:08:30,480 The immunity letter referred to all crimes 190 00:08:30,549 --> 00:08:31,813 that were not homicide. 191 00:08:31,882 --> 00:08:34,649 Margie didn't want the letter, what led me to believe 192 00:08:34,718 --> 00:08:36,885 that Margie was somehow more involved 193 00:08:36,954 --> 00:08:39,891 than we had thought at that time. 194 00:08:41,125 --> 00:08:43,996 Since you have that letter, That gives you complete immunity. 195 00:08:45,362 --> 00:08:50,065 Well, the only thing that happens to me mind anyway is that... 196 00:08:50,134 --> 00:08:53,202 although initially We don't think he did it... 197 00:08:53,271 --> 00:08:54,603 he killed her! 198 00:08:54,672 --> 00:08:56,939 Some of this is not very right. 199 00:08:57,008 --> 00:08:58,807 STEPHEN: With this letter of immunity, 200 00:08:58,876 --> 00:09:01,541 you have the opportunity to have control. 201 00:09:02,513 --> 00:09:04,583 You are taking a huge risk. 202 00:09:05,183 --> 00:09:06,982 I didn't write the note! 203 00:09:07,051 --> 00:09:09,584 So you have nothing What to worry about, right? 204 00:09:09,653 --> 00:09:11,686 So don't worry for having that piece of paper 205 00:09:11,755 --> 00:09:13,523 because there is no reason to do it, right? 206 00:09:13,592 --> 00:09:14,590 -I don't... -Okay. 207 00:09:14,659 --> 00:09:15,924 So... No, it doesn't matter 208 00:09:15,993 --> 00:09:18,460 because he has nothing What to worry about, right? 209 00:09:18,529 --> 00:09:19,994 Yes. I have a lot What to worry about. 210 00:09:20,063 --> 00:09:22,430 -What do you have to worry about? -What Ron could say... 211 00:09:22,499 --> 00:09:25,200 -She's worried about having this. -MARGIE: No. I'm worried... 212 00:09:25,269 --> 00:09:28,470 Because he knows what suits us To tell the truth, Margie. 213 00:09:28,539 --> 00:09:30,640 No, he's going to lie, and you know it. 214 00:09:30,709 --> 00:09:33,975 Okay. Okay. And then what? 215 00:09:34,044 --> 00:09:36,444 I'm screwed! Either way. 216 00:09:36,513 --> 00:09:37,779 -STEPHEN: No, mom. No. -I am. 217 00:09:37,848 --> 00:09:40,249 You are not. You have the letter. Today you have that! 218 00:09:40,318 --> 00:09:41,917 Today you have that, mom! 219 00:09:41,986 --> 00:09:44,819 Now damn this It's getting tired, 220 00:09:44,888 --> 00:09:48,090 for her, for me, for you, for dad, for everyone! 221 00:09:48,159 --> 00:09:50,930 I can't tell you something I don't know! 222 00:09:54,632 --> 00:09:57,903 I can't tell you something that I don't know. 223 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,446 -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(BIRDS SINGING) 224 00:10:11,515 --> 00:10:13,218 NARRATOR: September, 2017. 225 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,356 -Hello, dear. Forward. -CYNTHIA HILL: Hello. 226 00:10:20,425 --> 00:10:22,094 Nice to see you. 227 00:10:23,094 --> 00:10:25,093 CYNTHIA: I thought. that this could be informal, 228 00:10:25,162 --> 00:10:27,829 get more information and stuff, so... 229 00:10:27,898 --> 00:10:29,301 -Good. -(BELL RINGS) 230 00:10:29,601 --> 00:10:30,802 Wait. 231 00:10:31,502 --> 00:10:33,072 -How are you? -MARGIE: Hello. 232 00:10:34,506 --> 00:10:35,604 (INDISTINCT VOICES) 233 00:10:35,673 --> 00:10:37,873 -Good morning. -Thank you. 234 00:10:37,942 --> 00:10:41,510 OK. Well, that was unexpected. 235 00:10:41,579 --> 00:10:43,979 This is from the National Center 236 00:10:44,048 --> 00:10:46,348 for Missing Children and Exploited. 237 00:10:46,417 --> 00:10:48,687 So it could be... 238 00:10:49,421 --> 00:10:50,689 a drawing... 239 00:10:51,789 --> 00:10:53,355 how it looks now. 240 00:10:53,424 --> 00:10:55,824 False alarm. They asked me a photograph of me 241 00:10:55,893 --> 00:10:58,527 from when I had more or less 45 years. 242 00:10:58,596 --> 00:10:59,999 A long time ago. 243 00:11:01,032 --> 00:11:03,799 -(ENVELOPE CREAK) -(PHONE RINGS) 244 00:11:03,868 --> 00:11:06,035 MARGIE: I don't know who it is. 245 00:11:06,104 --> 00:11:08,807 -(CLEARS THROAT) -(PHONE CONTINUES RINGING) 246 00:11:10,035 --> 00:11:11,973 Oh. Hello. 247 00:11:12,042 --> 00:11:14,544 -MAN: Hello. Is Margie speaking? -She speaks. 248 00:11:14,613 --> 00:11:15,944 JOHN: Hello, my name is John. 249 00:11:16,013 --> 00:11:17,679 MARGIE: The phone ringing. 250 00:11:17,748 --> 00:11:19,848 and I getting up to answer it. 251 00:11:19,917 --> 00:11:23,386 It's what I always do since she left. 252 00:11:23,455 --> 00:11:24,990 Know? I don't... 253 00:11:26,023 --> 00:11:28,928 Unless I can see who is calling, 254 00:11:29,928 --> 00:11:31,396 I always answer the phone. 255 00:11:32,664 --> 00:11:35,291 CYNTHIA: And how did you meet Ron? 256 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:36,664 MARGIE: I was a cashier manager. 257 00:11:36,733 --> 00:11:39,601 and he was one of the managers of department 258 00:11:39,670 --> 00:11:43,205 and we got married, and living with Stephen was... 259 00:11:43,274 --> 00:11:45,807 you know, it was a life very worldly, 260 00:11:45,876 --> 00:11:48,447 ordinary, nothing... 261 00:11:49,113 --> 00:11:50,913 spectacular. 262 00:11:50,982 --> 00:11:54,819 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 263 00:11:56,953 --> 00:12:00,255 MARGIE: Stephen was born when Ron I was at the airfield 264 00:12:00,324 --> 00:12:03,525 of the army of hunters in Savannah. 265 00:12:03,594 --> 00:12:05,727 And when he was a month old, 266 00:12:05,796 --> 00:12:10,031 I moved there, and in mid-October 267 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:12,067 They called him to go to Vietnam 268 00:12:12,136 --> 00:12:16,041 and the day went Thanksgiving '68. 269 00:12:23,014 --> 00:12:26,181 It was the door gunner in a helicopter, 270 00:12:26,250 --> 00:12:29,952 but he never spoke to me about what happened, 271 00:12:30,021 --> 00:12:31,487 what I had seen, 272 00:12:31,556 --> 00:12:33,656 what he did. 273 00:12:33,725 --> 00:12:35,223 I really don't know. 274 00:12:35,292 --> 00:12:37,993 I know you came home with a bronze star, 275 00:12:38,062 --> 00:12:40,099 But I don't know why I had it. 276 00:12:42,566 --> 00:12:46,902 And when he returned, he got his degree in accounting. 277 00:12:46,971 --> 00:12:50,072 A few years later, Jennifer was born. 278 00:12:50,141 --> 00:12:52,374 She had some problems. 279 00:12:52,443 --> 00:12:55,814 His hemoglobin was very low, was very pale, 280 00:12:56,648 --> 00:12:57,880 but in two months, 281 00:12:57,949 --> 00:13:01,216 his iron was back where I had to be. 282 00:13:01,285 --> 00:13:05,521 We were happy and healthy. She was a happy baby 283 00:13:05,590 --> 00:13:07,383 and very independent. 284 00:13:07,452 --> 00:13:09,258 She held on to your fingers 285 00:13:09,327 --> 00:13:10,759 when I had eight weeks old, 286 00:13:10,828 --> 00:13:12,594 You know, to stand up. 287 00:13:12,663 --> 00:13:15,364 I always said that when he learned to open the refrigerator, 288 00:13:15,433 --> 00:13:17,933 that was the last that he needed from me. 289 00:13:18,002 --> 00:13:20,035 CYNTHIA: How did you get along? Stephen and Ron? 290 00:13:20,104 --> 00:13:21,840 Tell me about your relationship. 291 00:13:23,073 --> 00:13:26,876 MARGIE: Their relationship It was always tense. 292 00:13:26,945 --> 00:13:29,911 I think it was because Stephen was a baby 293 00:13:29,980 --> 00:13:33,182 When Ron went to Vietnam, and when he returned home, 294 00:13:33,251 --> 00:13:36,518 I was already an 18 month old boy. and I didn't really know him. 295 00:13:36,587 --> 00:13:39,354 He knew me and his grandmother. 296 00:13:39,423 --> 00:13:42,094 was someone who I should know. 297 00:13:43,194 --> 00:13:46,528 As I grew up and played sports, 298 00:13:46,597 --> 00:13:50,933 Ron was the demanding father from the minor leagues, 299 00:13:51,002 --> 00:13:54,937 and it was always like that. He was very demanding. 300 00:13:55,006 --> 00:13:57,206 He had a very bad character 301 00:13:57,275 --> 00:14:02,982 and he was not patient. Ah... Just... 302 00:14:05,984 --> 00:14:09,985 (DOUBT) ...did you know when to stop 303 00:14:10,054 --> 00:14:12,191 if you were trying to emphasize a point. 304 00:14:13,424 --> 00:14:15,924 If you woke him up, 305 00:14:15,993 --> 00:14:18,827 you did it from a distance because you didn't know 306 00:14:18,896 --> 00:14:21,600 whether he would be in a bad mood or not. 307 00:14:30,775 --> 00:14:32,408 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 308 00:14:32,477 --> 00:14:33,509 PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 309 00:14:33,578 --> 00:14:34,914 (SUPPORTS CUP) 310 00:14:36,013 --> 00:14:40,019 So, what I would like to do is... 311 00:14:41,219 --> 00:14:45,120 what we call a "report", 312 00:14:45,189 --> 00:14:51,854 and the reason why we do it It's to see all the facts. 313 00:14:51,923 --> 00:14:55,064 Do we have reasons? Do we have people of interest, 314 00:14:55,133 --> 00:14:58,100 people we need interview? 315 00:14:58,168 --> 00:14:59,868 And then we try to find the best way 316 00:14:59,937 --> 00:15:03,504 to continue the investigation. Does it make sense? 317 00:15:03,573 --> 00:15:10,445 -So, what happened to him... -♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 318 00:15:10,514 --> 00:15:14,019 -(MARKER STROKE) -DONNIE NORRELL: ...a... 319 00:15:15,387 --> 00:15:16,355 Jennifer? 320 00:15:17,555 --> 00:15:19,488 (CROWS CLOWING) 321 00:15:19,557 --> 00:15:21,393 DONNIE: Scenario one, 322 00:15:22,393 --> 00:15:24,660 Jenn left alone. 323 00:15:24,729 --> 00:15:26,895 If she left home alone, 324 00:15:26,964 --> 00:15:29,231 at least until the entrance of the town, 325 00:15:29,300 --> 00:15:31,333 if it was found with someone later, 326 00:15:31,402 --> 00:15:33,835 there was a good distance walking 327 00:15:33,904 --> 00:15:36,275 It was 28 degrees. 328 00:15:36,941 --> 00:15:39,474 Did you take anything? We don't know. 329 00:15:39,543 --> 00:15:42,945 When normally He was going on a planned outing, 330 00:15:43,014 --> 00:15:44,913 I took a lot of things. 331 00:15:44,982 --> 00:15:46,815 Her friends have confirmed it. 332 00:15:46,884 --> 00:15:48,917 But the most important question 333 00:15:48,986 --> 00:15:52,154 is if she wrote the note and she left alone, 334 00:15:52,223 --> 00:15:55,127 why was it necessary fake your writing? 335 00:15:55,793 --> 00:15:57,125 Pretend writing 336 00:15:57,194 --> 00:16:00,829 I would rule this out because it wasn't necessary. 337 00:16:00,898 --> 00:16:03,298 If she left of his own will, 338 00:16:03,367 --> 00:16:06,634 why not write the note with your own hands? 339 00:16:06,703 --> 00:16:12,274 You always have to consider this: suicidal ideation. 340 00:16:12,343 --> 00:16:15,978 If she left alone and he was going to take his life, 341 00:16:16,047 --> 00:16:19,247 maybe jump off a bridge, jump into the water 342 00:16:19,316 --> 00:16:21,616 But that scenario doesn't fit. 343 00:16:21,685 --> 00:16:25,454 because she didn't have background of it. 344 00:16:25,523 --> 00:16:26,554 scenario two 345 00:16:26,623 --> 00:16:29,858 Jenn called someone for him to pick her up. 346 00:16:29,927 --> 00:16:32,294 Who went to look for her? 347 00:16:32,363 --> 00:16:38,533 Tony, the ex-boyfriend, the figure unknown paternal? 348 00:16:38,602 --> 00:16:42,705 There is a small chance by Hendrix. 349 00:16:42,774 --> 00:16:44,172 This is a person 350 00:16:44,241 --> 00:16:47,208 the one she took care of in the past. 351 00:16:47,277 --> 00:16:50,812 And... and could it be the same person? 352 00:16:50,881 --> 00:16:52,680 I don't know. 353 00:16:52,749 --> 00:16:57,052 On the other hand, why fake handwriting? 354 00:16:57,121 --> 00:16:58,386 Why was it necessary? 355 00:16:58,455 --> 00:17:01,256 I think this is the least likely 356 00:17:01,325 --> 00:17:05,060 of all scenarios that could have happened 357 00:17:05,129 --> 00:17:08,463 because someone would have to pass the entrance, 358 00:17:08,532 --> 00:17:11,362 I would have to know where is the residence, 359 00:17:11,431 --> 00:17:12,300 enter it 360 00:17:12,369 --> 00:17:14,865 and participate in writing of a note, 361 00:17:14,934 --> 00:17:17,873 knowing that their parents They are up. 362 00:17:17,942 --> 00:17:19,140 It doesn't make sense 363 00:17:19,209 --> 00:17:21,813 if nothing bad was happening. 364 00:17:24,582 --> 00:17:28,820 In the last scenario, something happens in the house. 365 00:17:29,988 --> 00:17:32,655 There are only three people in it: 366 00:17:32,724 --> 00:17:35,760 mom, dad and Jenn. 367 00:17:36,994 --> 00:17:39,890 In this scenario, there are explanations 368 00:17:39,959 --> 00:17:43,298 why writing by hand it is fake. 369 00:17:43,367 --> 00:17:46,101 "I will never go back If you notify the police," 370 00:17:46,170 --> 00:17:48,638 so there is a delay for parents. 371 00:17:48,707 --> 00:17:49,704 Certain details: 372 00:17:49,773 --> 00:17:53,103 the money in the bank, doctor appointments. 373 00:17:53,172 --> 00:17:55,945 I need to cancel your appointment Friday with the doctor. 374 00:17:56,014 --> 00:17:59,314 Mom makes the appointment and a 15 year old girl 375 00:17:59,383 --> 00:18:01,816 it just goes every time that she tells him: 376 00:18:01,885 --> 00:18:05,320 "Remember we have a date with the doctor on Friday. 377 00:18:05,389 --> 00:18:08,724 The behavior of his parents was strange. 378 00:18:08,793 --> 00:18:09,992 Most parents 379 00:18:10,061 --> 00:18:12,294 if your son was gone in the morning 380 00:18:12,363 --> 00:18:14,096 and there would be a note like that, 381 00:18:14,165 --> 00:18:16,265 the first thing they would have done is to call 911. 382 00:18:16,334 --> 00:18:17,432 (COIN clinking) 383 00:18:17,501 --> 00:18:19,334 DONNIE: Sharon, the last person 384 00:18:19,403 --> 00:18:21,136 who called Jennifer and talked to her 385 00:18:21,205 --> 00:18:23,405 the night before of his disappearance, 386 00:18:23,474 --> 00:18:26,942 called from school on two occasions. 387 00:18:27,011 --> 00:18:28,880 Hello, Mrs. Pandos. Is Jenn there? 388 00:18:31,649 --> 00:18:33,315 Is she sick? 389 00:18:33,384 --> 00:18:35,554 Oh well, Can you tell him I called? 390 00:18:37,155 --> 00:18:39,121 DONNIE: The first time, 391 00:18:39,190 --> 00:18:41,756 the mother said that Jenn I was sick. 392 00:18:41,825 --> 00:18:44,759 Is she still sick? She said she was sick. 393 00:18:44,828 --> 00:18:47,195 DONNIE: And in the second one, He went with his father. 394 00:18:47,264 --> 00:18:49,130 Oh well, can you tell him to call me 395 00:18:49,199 --> 00:18:50,698 When I get home, please? 396 00:18:50,767 --> 00:18:53,068 DONNIE: She lied. to school children 397 00:18:53,137 --> 00:18:54,336 about his daughter, 398 00:18:54,405 --> 00:18:57,306 when I knew that was missing. 399 00:18:57,375 --> 00:18:58,706 And then again 400 00:18:58,775 --> 00:19:02,177 none of her friends I knew nothing about her. 401 00:19:02,246 --> 00:19:04,980 I still hold on to this stage 402 00:19:05,049 --> 00:19:06,915 like the one that would follow. 403 00:19:06,984 --> 00:19:10,051 I'm thinking he had some kind of accidental death. 404 00:19:10,120 --> 00:19:14,222 Parents' behavior It's too crazy to believe, 405 00:19:14,291 --> 00:19:17,325 and then the polygraphs, the writing, 406 00:19:17,394 --> 00:19:20,595 the history of violence father potential, 407 00:19:20,664 --> 00:19:22,898 stress syndrome post-traumatic. 408 00:19:22,967 --> 00:19:24,465 It was tax time. 409 00:19:24,534 --> 00:19:26,467 I was stressed, working hard. 410 00:19:26,536 --> 00:19:29,004 She had an attitude fucking teen 411 00:19:29,073 --> 00:19:30,873 by calling him by his name. 412 00:19:30,942 --> 00:19:31,774 Okay, okay. Already. 413 00:19:31,843 --> 00:19:33,976 I'm going to leave The damn phone, Ronald. 414 00:19:34,045 --> 00:19:35,744 Okay, Sharon, I'll talk to you tomorrow. 415 00:19:35,813 --> 00:19:37,879 "Didn't I tell you to stop that phone? 416 00:19:37,948 --> 00:19:40,749 "You have school tomorrow." -I already left the phone, Ronald. 417 00:19:40,818 --> 00:19:42,084 "Whatever, Ronald." 418 00:19:42,153 --> 00:19:44,289 (GROWNS) I can't wait to get away from you. 419 00:19:45,757 --> 00:19:46,588 (Muffled SCREAM) 420 00:19:46,657 --> 00:19:48,893 And it could have been as simple as... 421 00:19:49,861 --> 00:19:51,296 (JENNIFER FALLS) 422 00:19:54,298 --> 00:19:55,496 DONNIE: Fell backwards. 423 00:19:55,565 --> 00:19:58,867 and hit his head against the bedpost, 424 00:19:58,936 --> 00:20:01,103 He fractured his skull and died. 425 00:20:01,172 --> 00:20:02,471 Wake up. 426 00:20:02,540 --> 00:20:05,107 Wake up. Baby, wake up. 427 00:20:05,176 --> 00:20:08,778 Those are things that only two people know 428 00:20:08,847 --> 00:20:12,014 and they are the mother and the father. 429 00:20:12,083 --> 00:20:15,520 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 430 00:20:18,588 --> 00:20:20,322 STEPHEN: Where do you think it is? 431 00:20:20,391 --> 00:20:22,524 Where do I think it is? No idea. 432 00:20:22,593 --> 00:20:25,160 STEPHEN: You should know. if it is somewhere. 433 00:20:25,229 --> 00:20:27,062 -What do you think? -Hypothetically, 434 00:20:27,131 --> 00:20:29,832 If Ron killed her accidentally, 435 00:20:29,901 --> 00:20:31,099 where would I put it? 436 00:20:31,168 --> 00:20:35,270 I think it took her somewhere 437 00:20:35,339 --> 00:20:37,873 on one of his excursions nocturnal 438 00:20:37,942 --> 00:20:39,703 when he went to Pennsylvania. 439 00:20:39,772 --> 00:20:46,551 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 440 00:20:49,181 --> 00:20:52,252 -(INDISTINCT VOICES) -(SERVING COFFEE) 441 00:20:55,225 --> 00:20:57,359 (Clinking of dishes) 442 00:20:57,428 --> 00:20:59,929 STEPHEN'S DAUGHTER: Well, I'll call you about my car. 443 00:20:59,998 --> 00:21:01,300 OK. Yes. 444 00:21:02,333 --> 00:21:03,835 STEPHEN'S DAUGHTER: Goodbye, dad. 445 00:21:06,438 --> 00:21:11,271 (CLOCK TICK) 446 00:21:12,677 --> 00:21:13,942 (CLOSE DOOR) 447 00:21:14,011 --> 00:21:16,912 -(BIRDS SINGING) -(JINGLING OF KEYS) 448 00:21:16,981 --> 00:21:19,651 (CAR BEEP) 449 00:21:24,255 --> 00:21:26,358 (STARTS ENGINE) 450 00:21:26,991 --> 00:21:31,896 (RAIN FALLING) 451 00:21:34,098 --> 00:21:36,764 ♪ (SINEST MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 452 00:21:36,833 --> 00:21:39,267 MARGIE: After Jennifer disappeared, 453 00:21:39,336 --> 00:21:40,770 about a month passed 454 00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:43,272 before I told him to my parents. 455 00:21:43,341 --> 00:21:45,874 And I don't know if it was that same weekend 456 00:21:45,943 --> 00:21:49,945 that he went to Pennsylvania to tell his mother. 457 00:21:50,014 --> 00:21:52,547 -WENDI: Is that what he told you? -MARGIE: Yes. 458 00:21:52,616 --> 00:21:56,552 He had left in the car for several days. 459 00:21:56,621 --> 00:21:59,149 And he said that when he arrived, 460 00:21:59,218 --> 00:22:01,360 his mother wanted to know what had happened 461 00:22:03,823 --> 00:22:04,997 I was hysterical. 462 00:22:08,099 --> 00:22:09,064 STEPHEN: In the three days 463 00:22:09,133 --> 00:22:11,566 between the moment when my sister disappeared 464 00:22:11,635 --> 00:22:14,870 and that my parents they called the police, 465 00:22:14,939 --> 00:22:16,872 my father told them 466 00:22:16,941 --> 00:22:18,907 who went to Pennsylvania 467 00:22:18,976 --> 00:22:21,680 to tell his mother about Jennifer. 468 00:22:22,447 --> 00:22:23,682 That never happened. 469 00:22:32,151 --> 00:22:33,989 CYNTHIA: So, can you talk to me 470 00:22:34,058 --> 00:22:37,129 -about your relationship with Stephen? -He's my cousin. 471 00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:41,564 JENNIFER BROADT: Once a year in summer, 472 00:22:41,633 --> 00:22:43,131 Jennifer and Stephen were coming, 473 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,767 more Jennifer, during approximately two weeks. 474 00:22:45,836 --> 00:22:48,838 I spent time with her. When Jenny and I were little... 475 00:22:48,907 --> 00:22:49,839 STEPHEN'S COUSIN 476 00:22:49,908 --> 00:22:52,140 ...I remember her and Ron They were very playful. 477 00:22:52,209 --> 00:22:53,709 They fought... 478 00:22:53,778 --> 00:22:55,610 and sometimes they got difficult. 479 00:22:55,679 --> 00:22:57,913 And sometimes it hurt her, not intentionally, 480 00:22:57,982 --> 00:23:00,949 but, you know, Jenny was crying in the corner. 481 00:23:01,018 --> 00:23:02,312 They were that kind of thing. 482 00:23:02,381 --> 00:23:05,587 My aunt always screamed: "Let go, let go." 483 00:23:05,656 --> 00:23:07,122 So they were playful and loving, 484 00:23:07,191 --> 00:23:09,292 but, on the other hand, She was terrified of him. 485 00:23:09,361 --> 00:23:10,358 I could tell. 486 00:23:10,427 --> 00:23:12,261 But when I was a girl, I thought it was 487 00:23:12,330 --> 00:23:15,063 because you are afraid to get involved in trouble with your parents. 488 00:23:15,132 --> 00:23:16,298 Don't know. 489 00:23:16,367 --> 00:23:20,703 It's... It's difficult to believe all this. 490 00:23:20,772 --> 00:23:23,808 ♪ (OMINOUS MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 491 00:23:25,875 --> 00:23:27,543 -STEPHEN: Hello, Uncle Bob. -BOB RITZ: Hello, Stephen. 492 00:23:27,612 --> 00:23:28,911 -How are you? -(LAUGHTER) 493 00:23:28,980 --> 00:23:29,978 STEPHEN: Good. 494 00:23:30,047 --> 00:23:31,608 -How are you? -Good. How are you? 495 00:23:31,677 --> 00:23:32,514 Good. 496 00:23:32,583 --> 00:23:34,215 -I have something for you. -(CRUNKLE OF PAPER) 497 00:23:34,284 --> 00:23:36,451 -STEPHEN: What is it? -(CLEARS THROAT) 498 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,721 STEPHEN: (DEEP INHALE) Oh my god. 499 00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:40,923 -I was a fat baby. -(LAUGHTER) 500 00:23:40,992 --> 00:23:42,624 DONNA BROADT: Look at you. 501 00:23:42,693 --> 00:23:43,859 STEPHEN: When is this from? 502 00:23:43,928 --> 00:23:45,994 DONNA: It's from when He graduated from high school. 503 00:23:46,063 --> 00:23:47,162 STEPHEN: High school? 504 00:23:47,231 --> 00:23:49,297 And the other is her grandmother, my aunt. 505 00:23:49,366 --> 00:23:51,299 STEPHEN: This is my grandmother. 506 00:23:51,368 --> 00:23:52,433 What did my parents tell you 507 00:23:52,502 --> 00:23:54,336 to grandma all these years? 508 00:23:54,405 --> 00:23:56,372 BOB: Well, it's a mystery. for us. 509 00:23:56,441 --> 00:23:57,539 COUSIN OF RON PANDOS 510 00:23:57,608 --> 00:23:59,609 we don't find out We even assume that it was 511 00:23:59,678 --> 00:24:02,110 in 1997 or 98, probably. 512 00:24:02,179 --> 00:24:03,645 DONNA: I remember once, 513 00:24:03,714 --> 00:24:06,047 when they came to visit me in summer, 514 00:24:06,116 --> 00:24:09,485 They said Jenny had gone to the beach with friends... 515 00:24:09,554 --> 00:24:10,885 PANDOS RON PREMIUM 516 00:24:10,954 --> 00:24:14,284 ...and that's why he hadn't come. And then when you got married, 517 00:24:14,353 --> 00:24:16,525 They told us that Jenny lived with someone 518 00:24:16,594 --> 00:24:18,293 who forbade him to go to the wedding. 519 00:24:18,362 --> 00:24:20,796 So we didn't have no reason... 520 00:24:20,865 --> 00:24:22,130 BROADT: That's not it. what I heard. 521 00:24:22,199 --> 00:24:26,368 -DONNA: What did you hear? -I heard your dad said 522 00:24:26,437 --> 00:24:28,904 I had a trip planned with friends. 523 00:24:28,973 --> 00:24:30,840 That's why she He wasn't at your wedding. 524 00:24:30,909 --> 00:24:32,575 But I thought, "Why I wouldn't be at the wedding 525 00:24:32,644 --> 00:24:33,641 of his own brother?" 526 00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:35,344 DONNA: Yes, I heard you say that before, 527 00:24:35,413 --> 00:24:36,645 but aunt kitty 528 00:24:36,714 --> 00:24:38,714 He told me a different story. 529 00:24:38,783 --> 00:24:41,083 BOB: I think the most disconcerting 530 00:24:41,152 --> 00:24:43,519 is that yes really Jenn was missing 531 00:24:43,588 --> 00:24:45,653 on the day he disappeared, 532 00:24:45,722 --> 00:24:48,590 why wouldn't they try get in touch 533 00:24:48,659 --> 00:24:51,259 with one of us to see if Jenn ever 534 00:24:51,328 --> 00:24:52,994 Did you call or search for us? 535 00:24:53,063 --> 00:24:55,530 I think that It's what bothers me the most. 536 00:24:55,599 --> 00:25:00,202 When your grandmother got sick, I remember I told him: 537 00:25:00,271 --> 00:25:03,742 "Ron, you have to tell him to your mother about Jenny." 538 00:25:04,709 --> 00:25:07,109 And later I asked him: 539 00:25:07,178 --> 00:25:10,312 "Did you tell your mother?" And he said yes. 540 00:25:10,381 --> 00:25:12,915 And I answered: "What did she say?" 541 00:25:12,984 --> 00:25:15,687 And he said, "She asked me "What did I do to him?" 542 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,553 It's obvious from this letter that he sent me 543 00:25:18,622 --> 00:25:21,489 when he got out of jail that there are some things 544 00:25:21,558 --> 00:25:24,059 which he has carried with him since Vietnam. 545 00:25:24,128 --> 00:25:25,160 "To this day, 546 00:25:25,229 --> 00:25:27,863 I remember vividly my first confirmed death. 547 00:25:27,932 --> 00:25:30,032 Until today, I see the woman's face 548 00:25:30,101 --> 00:25:32,501 and constantly I wonder if he had family 549 00:25:32,570 --> 00:25:34,036 and if he had children. 550 00:25:34,105 --> 00:25:35,971 I still have memories. 551 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,241 My granddaughter was born August 12, 1999 552 00:25:39,310 --> 00:25:40,576 and I haven't seen it yet. 553 00:25:40,645 --> 00:25:41,943 Not because I don't want to, 554 00:25:42,012 --> 00:25:43,912 but because I'm ashamed see my son 555 00:25:43,981 --> 00:25:46,318 I feel like I failed my son. and my daughter." 556 00:25:49,053 --> 00:25:50,289 It's very sad. 557 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,559 CYNTHIA: What do you think? of your family? 558 00:25:57,628 --> 00:25:59,562 (STEPHEN SIGHS) 559 00:25:59,631 --> 00:26:00,763 I don't know how to say this, 560 00:26:00,832 --> 00:26:02,831 so I'll just say it 561 00:26:02,900 --> 00:26:05,170 and I will be completely honest. 562 00:26:08,238 --> 00:26:11,006 All this experience, 563 00:26:11,075 --> 00:26:16,344 and maybe one of the reasons why... 564 00:26:16,413 --> 00:26:20,476 I fight so hard because of Jennifer 565 00:26:20,545 --> 00:26:25,855 that's what it's supposed to be what should you do... 566 00:26:25,924 --> 00:26:27,859 a family Does this make sense? 567 00:26:28,627 --> 00:26:30,029 Am... 568 00:26:32,263 --> 00:26:35,697 And that ideal. 569 00:26:35,766 --> 00:26:40,772 I think it's because I never I had it and probably... 570 00:26:41,973 --> 00:26:44,739 It's what I want more than anything. 571 00:26:44,808 --> 00:26:49,611 That feeling of belonging that I don't have, 572 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,214 because really I don't have a family, 573 00:26:52,283 --> 00:26:54,786 an immediate family. Ah... 574 00:27:00,324 --> 00:27:02,995 (INHALE) Ah... 575 00:27:14,472 --> 00:27:15,840 Does it make any sense? 576 00:27:17,376 --> 00:27:18,343 CYNTHIA: Yes. 577 00:27:22,613 --> 00:27:26,718 ♪ (TENSION MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 578 00:27:33,090 --> 00:27:34,793 Hello? 579 00:27:36,728 --> 00:27:38,363 In this box is... 580 00:27:39,630 --> 00:27:44,733 the evidence I collected against Ron Pandos. 581 00:27:44,802 --> 00:27:48,440 Includes everything... everything he had on him. 582 00:27:49,507 --> 00:27:50,638 EX-WIFE OF RON PANDOS 583 00:27:50,707 --> 00:27:53,245 -CYNTHIA: Is it okay? -No. No, I'm not. 584 00:27:53,745 --> 00:27:55,276 It's very difficult 585 00:27:55,345 --> 00:27:59,051 because no one wanted listen to my story. Nobody. 586 00:28:00,118 --> 00:28:02,952 And I have begged people... (INSPIRE) 587 00:28:03,021 --> 00:28:06,054 I have begged them Let them listen to my story. 588 00:28:06,123 --> 00:28:08,090 CYNTHIA: Where? would you like to start? 589 00:28:08,159 --> 00:28:10,162 Do you want to start with how she met Ron? 590 00:28:11,663 --> 00:28:14,199 I met him in... 591 00:28:15,399 --> 00:28:20,969 2005 through a site of internet dating. 592 00:28:21,038 --> 00:28:23,505 I fell madly in love with him 593 00:28:23,574 --> 00:28:26,408 and he seemed be in love with me 594 00:28:26,477 --> 00:28:29,678 He told me he was a veteran 595 00:28:29,747 --> 00:28:33,085 and that his daughter I was like a fugitive. 596 00:28:33,851 --> 00:28:36,218 And that he was in danger. 597 00:28:36,287 --> 00:28:39,755 Then it appeared one day at my house 598 00:28:39,824 --> 00:28:42,891 and said, "I brought something for you to read." 599 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,626 And I said, "What is it?" 600 00:28:44,695 --> 00:28:46,094 And he handed me a piece of paper, 601 00:28:46,163 --> 00:28:48,797 was on a stand plastic 602 00:28:48,866 --> 00:28:51,133 and said: "This is the ransom note 603 00:28:51,202 --> 00:28:53,635 that they left when they kidnapped... 604 00:28:53,704 --> 00:28:55,303 to my daughter." 605 00:28:55,372 --> 00:28:58,810 And the ransom note It was written... 606 00:28:59,844 --> 00:29:01,846 like with a black marker, 607 00:29:02,847 --> 00:29:05,647 with letters maybe that big. 608 00:29:05,716 --> 00:29:08,220 I don't remember now what he said, 609 00:29:08,953 --> 00:29:12,354 but it seemed very strange to me. 610 00:29:12,423 --> 00:29:15,323 And I said, "Is that the note of original rescue?" 611 00:29:15,392 --> 00:29:17,092 And he said, "Yes, it is." 612 00:29:17,161 --> 00:29:18,926 I said, "Why do you have it? 613 00:29:18,995 --> 00:29:22,263 How come the department Didn't the police have it?" 614 00:29:22,332 --> 00:29:23,464 And he said, "Well, 615 00:29:23,533 --> 00:29:25,266 "They didn't seem interested." 616 00:29:25,335 --> 00:29:27,970 And then I read an article about Jennifer. 617 00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,538 I had the ransom note that they left him 618 00:29:30,607 --> 00:29:33,909 the night he disappeared. The note you showed me 619 00:29:33,978 --> 00:29:36,978 It's totally different to the other note. 620 00:29:37,047 --> 00:29:38,714 Furthermore, when I read that other note 621 00:29:38,783 --> 00:29:41,150 the first time, I said, "Well, 622 00:29:41,219 --> 00:29:43,986 I can tell you who wrote it. He wrote it, 623 00:29:44,055 --> 00:29:45,720 because that's how he writes." 624 00:29:45,789 --> 00:29:47,990 Start in first person and then he leaves 625 00:29:48,059 --> 00:29:51,063 goes to the third person. He does it as something natural. 626 00:29:52,163 --> 00:29:56,866 DONNIE: So Ron's getting married. with Ruth Ann in 2007. 627 00:29:56,935 --> 00:29:59,362 Pleads guilty of the fraud charge 628 00:29:59,431 --> 00:30:01,937 in South Carolina in 2008. 629 00:30:02,006 --> 00:30:05,173 Shortly after, Ruth Ann hands Ron over 630 00:30:05,242 --> 00:30:08,277 to the police in possession of a firearm, 631 00:30:08,346 --> 00:30:11,080 so something is wrong with his marriage. 632 00:30:11,149 --> 00:30:13,816 is condemned to three years in prison. 633 00:30:13,885 --> 00:30:15,117 During that time, 634 00:30:15,186 --> 00:30:18,586 a protective order is issued on behalf of Ruth Ann. 635 00:30:18,655 --> 00:30:22,785 He is released on the 23rd. and March 25 636 00:30:22,854 --> 00:30:26,862 he is accused of harassing her and stop by his residence. 637 00:30:26,931 --> 00:30:28,363 RUTH ANN PHILLIPS: And everyone was wondering: 638 00:30:28,432 --> 00:30:30,766 "Why does she Don't you divorce him? 639 00:30:30,835 --> 00:30:32,500 Why are you still married to him?" 640 00:30:32,569 --> 00:30:36,171 I did it because, as his wife, I could give evidence 641 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,641 to Wendi Reed, to the FBI and to whoever needed it. 642 00:30:39,710 --> 00:30:42,812 WENDI: I talked to Ruth Ann about her relationship with Ron. 643 00:30:42,881 --> 00:30:45,447 He told me that Ron he was a habitual liar 644 00:30:45,516 --> 00:30:48,817 and that I had come to believe that Ron had killed Jennifer. 645 00:30:48,886 --> 00:30:51,256 It was horrible. It was horrible. 646 00:30:51,822 --> 00:30:53,756 Yes, I think about your daughter. 647 00:30:53,825 --> 00:30:54,789 And... 648 00:30:54,858 --> 00:30:57,826 Well, always Ron She had told me that her boyfriend... 649 00:30:57,895 --> 00:31:00,629 what was I trying to frame her boyfriend. 650 00:31:00,698 --> 00:31:04,699 That guy is innocent. Ron is trying to blame him. 651 00:31:04,768 --> 00:31:08,336 I hope the man doesn't have than live in fear of that. 652 00:31:08,405 --> 00:31:10,439 JEFF VELLINES: Ron is a real, 653 00:31:10,508 --> 00:31:12,040 true manipulator. 654 00:31:12,109 --> 00:31:15,410 If you're ever with Ron because he decided to cooperate. 655 00:31:15,479 --> 00:31:17,980 He likes to control the interview. 656 00:31:18,049 --> 00:31:20,015 I remember that about him. 657 00:31:20,084 --> 00:31:23,222 The FBI analyzed it and said: "Yes, that's your man." 658 00:31:39,638 --> 00:31:41,637 (RATTLE) 659 00:31:41,706 --> 00:31:44,176 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 660 00:31:45,176 --> 00:31:47,679 NARRATOR: Ron Pandos, Jennifer's father. 661 00:31:50,414 --> 00:31:52,080 -CYNTHIA: I'm going to... -Before we begin... 662 00:31:52,149 --> 00:31:54,382 -CYNTHIA: Yes. -...just so you know, 663 00:31:54,451 --> 00:31:56,919 and I tell everyone those who speak to me, 664 00:31:56,988 --> 00:31:59,324 I don't play games 665 00:32:00,157 --> 00:32:03,358 and I will tell you just as I remember it. 666 00:32:03,427 --> 00:32:07,363 So if you can't deal With that, it's your problem. 667 00:32:07,432 --> 00:32:08,731 (LAUGHTER) 668 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,527 CYNTHIA: Well, I can deal with that. 669 00:32:10,596 --> 00:32:13,302 Okay. Just so you know. 670 00:32:13,371 --> 00:32:16,439 CYNTHIA: Tell me. from... the night before. 671 00:32:16,508 --> 00:32:17,973 What do you remember? 672 00:32:18,042 --> 00:32:21,444 -About last night? -CYNTHIA: Yes. Like... 673 00:32:21,513 --> 00:32:24,846 (EXHALE) I remember... 674 00:32:24,915 --> 00:32:27,282 that Jenny was in his room, 675 00:32:27,351 --> 00:32:30,219 I worked late that night, I remember it. 676 00:32:30,288 --> 00:32:32,021 Ah... 677 00:32:32,090 --> 00:32:36,391 Jenny was doing homework when I got home. 678 00:32:36,460 --> 00:32:39,962 I was in his room doing your homework, 679 00:32:40,031 --> 00:32:43,965 and basically We all went to bed. 680 00:32:44,034 --> 00:32:47,269 Yes, that's what we did. And then... 681 00:32:47,338 --> 00:32:52,973 the next morning, my wife got up and... 682 00:32:54,011 --> 00:32:57,512 and went to open his door and it was closed. 683 00:32:57,581 --> 00:33:00,585 We thought, "What the hell?" Sorry. "What's going on?" 684 00:33:02,654 --> 00:33:04,023 I opened the door 685 00:33:04,689 --> 00:33:06,658 and the note was on his bed. 686 00:33:07,526 --> 00:33:10,058 And then I read it... 687 00:33:10,127 --> 00:33:13,665 and I said, "What the hell just happened?" 688 00:33:14,498 --> 00:33:17,336 The first thing I did, what I remember, 689 00:33:18,336 --> 00:33:21,736 was to go to both entrances to see if they had... 690 00:33:21,805 --> 00:33:25,774 a record of someone that came through the doors 691 00:33:25,843 --> 00:33:29,148 and then entered the subdivision, 692 00:33:30,543 --> 00:33:32,251 but they had nothing. 693 00:33:33,952 --> 00:33:35,454 I handed out posters. 694 00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:38,519 (SIGH) 695 00:33:38,588 --> 00:33:42,590 I tried to find Tony Tobler, but I didn't make it. 696 00:33:42,659 --> 00:33:45,561 I still believe that he has something to do with it 697 00:33:45,630 --> 00:33:48,130 with the problem. 698 00:33:48,199 --> 00:33:51,300 And I could be wrong, but that's just my opinion. 699 00:33:51,369 --> 00:33:52,968 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 700 00:33:53,037 --> 00:33:55,270 CROWD: "I swear allegiance to the flag 701 00:33:55,339 --> 00:33:57,138 of the United States of America 702 00:33:57,207 --> 00:34:00,042 and the republic it represents, 703 00:34:00,111 --> 00:34:02,410 one nation, under God, 704 00:34:02,479 --> 00:34:06,151 indivisible, with freedom and justice for all." 705 00:34:08,018 --> 00:34:11,051 CYNTHIA: When was the last time you talked to stephen? 706 00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:16,195 (WHISTLES) Eight years ago. 707 00:34:18,196 --> 00:34:21,196 came to prison to talk to me. 708 00:34:21,265 --> 00:34:22,865 I wanted him to admit 709 00:34:22,934 --> 00:34:24,900 have done things 710 00:34:24,969 --> 00:34:27,964 Which I didn't do and I won't admit it. 711 00:34:28,033 --> 00:34:30,509 CYNTHIA: Do you remember anything? from that conversation? 712 00:34:33,144 --> 00:34:35,347 I don't want to talk about her. 713 00:34:39,083 --> 00:34:41,716 STEPHEN: In February 2010, 714 00:34:41,785 --> 00:34:44,486 I went to see my father when he was in prison. 715 00:34:44,555 --> 00:34:47,923 I remember talking with my father 716 00:34:47,992 --> 00:34:50,158 by phone through glass, 717 00:34:50,227 --> 00:34:52,327 and it was during that conversation 718 00:34:52,396 --> 00:34:53,761 three and a half hours 719 00:34:53,830 --> 00:34:56,932 that my father said: "Hypothetically I hit her 720 00:34:57,001 --> 00:34:58,600 and she fell and hit his head. 721 00:34:58,669 --> 00:35:00,769 You want me to take the blame of this for your mother, 722 00:35:00,838 --> 00:35:02,437 I'll take the blame." 723 00:35:02,506 --> 00:35:05,040 Which I think is the way in which my father 724 00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:06,475 admit that he did it, 725 00:35:06,544 --> 00:35:08,943 while playing the victim, a martyr in front of my mother 726 00:35:09,012 --> 00:35:11,947 or said it was an accident, and thus avoid responsibility. 727 00:35:12,016 --> 00:35:14,984 (RAIN FALLING) 728 00:35:15,053 --> 00:35:17,622 (RUMBLE OF THUNDER) 729 00:35:21,993 --> 00:35:23,125 DONNIE: So, 730 00:35:23,194 --> 00:35:24,826 from the moment when he was in prison, 731 00:35:24,895 --> 00:35:27,295 how many contacts have they had since then? 732 00:35:27,364 --> 00:35:29,893 -He left me a voice message. -Ah, just a voice message. 733 00:35:29,962 --> 00:35:31,299 -STEPHEN: That was all. -What did he say? 734 00:35:31,368 --> 00:35:34,436 He accused me of playing God, 735 00:35:34,505 --> 00:35:37,139 I think, with this matter and my mother. 736 00:35:37,208 --> 00:35:38,407 Are you married now? 737 00:35:38,476 --> 00:35:41,710 That's how it is. With his third wife. 738 00:35:41,779 --> 00:35:44,579 DONNIE: How do you feel? by calling him again? 739 00:35:44,648 --> 00:35:47,186 Do you think you ever Will he tell you the truth? 740 00:35:48,086 --> 00:35:49,384 I'd like to think it will. 741 00:35:49,453 --> 00:35:51,653 DONNIE: We don't have anything. What to lose, right? 742 00:35:51,722 --> 00:35:52,691 Nothing. 743 00:35:54,324 --> 00:35:57,392 Yes, yes, you can call me. Yes. 744 00:35:57,461 --> 00:36:00,662 Yes. If you have a problem, let's fix it. 745 00:36:00,731 --> 00:36:03,602 If you have something to discuss, Let's discuss it. 746 00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:25,557 (DEEP INHALE) Here it is. 747 00:36:27,324 --> 00:36:29,929 -I made this for Jennifer. -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 748 00:36:30,862 --> 00:36:35,063 I just felt that after that the court 749 00:36:35,132 --> 00:36:36,902 declared her deceased... 750 00:36:38,035 --> 00:36:39,668 I had to do something. 751 00:36:39,737 --> 00:36:43,604 And when we did this, we had a... 752 00:36:43,673 --> 00:36:48,577 you know, a small ceremony with... 753 00:36:48,646 --> 00:36:52,918 with one of the local ministers of the city that came here. 754 00:36:54,185 --> 00:36:56,521 (INHALE) Ah... 755 00:36:59,123 --> 00:37:00,522 This is what we did for her. 756 00:37:00,591 --> 00:37:02,257 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 757 00:37:02,326 --> 00:37:03,458 NARRATOR: Jennifer Lynn Pandos. 758 00:37:03,527 --> 00:37:06,865 October 29, 1971. February 10, 1987. 759 00:37:11,731 --> 00:37:14,306 (BREATH DEEP) 760 00:37:15,407 --> 00:37:16,708 Everything is dirty. 761 00:37:19,577 --> 00:37:21,543 It's just one of those things 762 00:37:21,612 --> 00:37:24,312 that reminds you that this it's a reality 763 00:37:24,381 --> 00:37:26,518 and it's hard to get used to. 764 00:37:27,785 --> 00:37:28,753 (SIGH) 765 00:37:45,504 --> 00:37:47,839 (BIRDS SINGING) 766 00:37:49,339 --> 00:37:51,576 NARRATOR: Oklahoma. Two days later. 767 00:37:54,445 --> 00:37:56,979 RON: I received an email Stephen's email 768 00:37:57,048 --> 00:37:58,350 this morning. 769 00:37:59,416 --> 00:38:03,385 "Hello, dad. They have passed many things you don't know. 770 00:38:03,454 --> 00:38:06,687 In 2014, I applied to the Virginia court 771 00:38:06,756 --> 00:38:11,530 that Jennifer was declared deceased, which they did. 772 00:38:12,897 --> 00:38:15,463 I also cited to the police department 773 00:38:15,532 --> 00:38:18,567 about the file of Jennifer's case. 774 00:38:18,636 --> 00:38:20,505 "That's what I want to discuss." 775 00:38:21,573 --> 00:38:23,943 So it irritated me a little. 776 00:38:25,076 --> 00:38:28,076 In fact, a lot to be honest. 777 00:38:28,145 --> 00:38:30,212 I understand that she is your sister... 778 00:38:30,281 --> 00:38:31,414 WIFE OF RON PANDOS 779 00:38:31,483 --> 00:38:32,981 ...but she is his daughter, 780 00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:36,585 and what gives you the right to say to everyone that she is dead 781 00:38:36,654 --> 00:38:39,554 If they don't know for sure? 782 00:38:39,623 --> 00:38:42,661 Unless you know something that we don't know. 783 00:38:44,495 --> 00:38:46,428 That's a good question. 784 00:38:46,497 --> 00:38:48,464 You're not thinking clearly, 785 00:38:48,533 --> 00:38:50,966 I'll say it that way. 786 00:38:51,035 --> 00:38:53,235 And I think the last that someone wants... 787 00:38:53,304 --> 00:38:54,470 (CLEARS THROAT) 788 00:38:54,539 --> 00:38:57,042 ...is not thinking clearly. 789 00:38:58,309 --> 00:38:59,808 Mm. 790 00:38:59,877 --> 00:39:02,710 Because God forbid, if that is the case. 791 00:39:02,779 --> 00:39:06,952 -(INHALE) Mm. -(CELL PHONE RINGTONE) 792 00:39:10,154 --> 00:39:12,287 DONNIE: (ON PHONE) Hi Stephen, how are you? 793 00:39:12,356 --> 00:39:13,923 Very good, Donnie. And you? 794 00:39:13,992 --> 00:39:15,323 DONNIE: Good. What's happening? 795 00:39:15,392 --> 00:39:19,764 I hope to have a conversation with my father... 796 00:39:21,131 --> 00:39:22,530 shortly. 797 00:39:22,599 --> 00:39:25,366 I want to listen what you have to say 798 00:39:25,435 --> 00:39:27,703 about some of the accusations 799 00:39:27,772 --> 00:39:29,571 in the analysis of these notes. 800 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:31,173 -DONNIE: Ask him. -Yes, I will. 801 00:39:31,242 --> 00:39:32,773 DONNIE: But I must tell you. 802 00:39:32,842 --> 00:39:35,945 that sometimes you have to admit defeat. 803 00:39:36,014 --> 00:39:38,946 I don't know if you love him, but I would tell him: 804 00:39:39,015 --> 00:39:42,951 "Dad, I don't have much family, except you, you are my father. 805 00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:45,816 So if you know something, please tell me. 806 00:39:45,885 --> 00:39:47,089 I just want to know 807 00:39:47,158 --> 00:39:49,157 "What happened to my sister?" 808 00:39:49,226 --> 00:39:52,427 I mean that our time on earth it is limited. 809 00:39:52,496 --> 00:39:54,395 It's not getting any younger 810 00:39:54,464 --> 00:39:57,300 and you want to know what happened, right? 811 00:39:57,369 --> 00:39:58,500 Absolutely. 812 00:39:58,569 --> 00:40:02,571 DONNIE: Because every time that speaks, 813 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,739 says crazy comments like: 814 00:40:04,808 --> 00:40:09,244 "Take me on a plane and I'll show you where it is." 815 00:40:09,313 --> 00:40:12,181 You know, what do you have to lose? 816 00:40:12,250 --> 00:40:13,248 Not much. 817 00:40:13,317 --> 00:40:14,549 -DONNIE: Very good. -Thank you, Donnie. 818 00:40:14,618 --> 00:40:15,751 -DONNIE: See you later. -Bye bye. 819 00:40:15,820 --> 00:40:17,689 -DONNIE: Take care. Bye bye. -Bye bye. 820 00:40:18,356 --> 00:40:20,659 (CRUNKLE OF PAPER) 821 00:40:22,594 --> 00:40:23,895 (DEEP SIGH) 822 00:40:36,907 --> 00:40:37,876 Very good. 823 00:40:43,247 --> 00:40:45,584 (RINGTONE) 824 00:40:49,253 --> 00:40:51,523 Can we rest for a minute? 825 00:40:52,324 --> 00:40:53,750 Hello. 826 00:40:53,819 --> 00:40:54,790 Hello, dad. 827 00:40:54,859 --> 00:40:58,293 RON: Hey, explain to me. What's happening? 828 00:40:58,362 --> 00:41:00,629 Who gave you the authority to go 829 00:41:00,698 --> 00:41:02,462 and declare her deceased? 830 00:41:03,568 --> 00:41:06,268 (HESITES) I am his brother. 831 00:41:06,337 --> 00:41:08,669 I can do it. Talk to the court. 832 00:41:08,738 --> 00:41:11,272 That's what I did. And, at the same time, 833 00:41:11,341 --> 00:41:14,609 I summoned the police department 834 00:41:14,678 --> 00:41:17,079 about the file of Jennifer's case. 835 00:41:17,148 --> 00:41:18,413 When they took up the case 836 00:41:18,482 --> 00:41:20,582 at the beginning from the 2000s, 837 00:41:20,651 --> 00:41:22,718 they had to rebuild a case file 838 00:41:22,787 --> 00:41:24,019 and that's what they gave me. 839 00:41:24,088 --> 00:41:26,254 Ask him if he can send you a copy. 840 00:41:26,323 --> 00:41:27,759 Can you send me a copy? 841 00:41:29,059 --> 00:41:30,158 Yes. 842 00:41:30,227 --> 00:41:32,562 I will send you an email electronic with a couple of things 843 00:41:32,631 --> 00:41:34,129 and then we can review them 844 00:41:34,198 --> 00:41:36,235 while you're sitting there. 845 00:41:36,768 --> 00:41:38,499 I just sent it. 846 00:41:38,568 --> 00:41:41,136 Print those things and then call me. 847 00:41:41,205 --> 00:41:42,904 -JAY HALFORD-PANDOS: Okay. -Okay, great. 848 00:41:42,973 --> 00:41:45,210 -Thank you. Bye bye. -JAY: Okay, bye. 849 00:41:46,643 --> 00:41:49,311 ♪ (SUSPENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 850 00:41:49,380 --> 00:41:51,183 His wife Jay has no idea. 851 00:41:53,317 --> 00:41:54,853 She doesn't know... 852 00:41:56,488 --> 00:41:57,957 none of this. 853 00:42:00,091 --> 00:42:01,757 We can see the other one. 854 00:42:01,826 --> 00:42:04,226 We must read it and call him back. 855 00:42:04,295 --> 00:42:06,561 "The inclusion of information staff in the menu 856 00:42:06,630 --> 00:42:08,664 suggests that the writer had a relationship 857 00:42:08,733 --> 00:42:11,136 extremely close with Jennifer." 858 00:42:12,169 --> 00:42:14,336 STEPHEN: I sent my father 859 00:42:14,405 --> 00:42:17,072 an analysis of the note 860 00:42:17,141 --> 00:42:19,741 that they left when Jennifer disappeared. 861 00:42:19,810 --> 00:42:22,277 JAY: "If the note was fabricated 862 00:42:22,346 --> 00:42:24,680 to divert the investigation 863 00:42:24,749 --> 00:42:26,281 and contains personal information, 864 00:42:26,350 --> 00:42:28,150 your most plausible criminal 865 00:42:28,219 --> 00:42:30,589 would be one or both parents." 866 00:42:33,123 --> 00:42:34,193 (SIGH) 867 00:42:35,059 --> 00:42:36,324 That? 868 00:42:36,393 --> 00:42:38,927 It's just... I don't understand. 869 00:42:38,996 --> 00:42:41,033 Well some things they don't make sense. 870 00:42:43,834 --> 00:42:46,972 STEPHEN: The things here They are quite creepy. 871 00:42:47,939 --> 00:42:51,139 If you are not medicated at this moment, 872 00:42:51,208 --> 00:42:52,507 will be reading this 873 00:42:52,576 --> 00:42:55,314 and he will get angrier and angrier with each sentence. 874 00:42:56,308 --> 00:42:57,980 RON: I can partially understand. 875 00:42:58,049 --> 00:43:01,116 why he does it. Not totally, partially. 876 00:43:01,185 --> 00:43:04,285 JAY: What do you think happened to him? to Jennifer that night? 877 00:43:04,354 --> 00:43:07,889 RON: I really think that someone He came to look for Jennifer. 878 00:43:07,958 --> 00:43:11,394 Whether he lived out there or what... 879 00:43:11,463 --> 00:43:12,728 But why? 880 00:43:12,797 --> 00:43:14,997 I don't know. If I knew why, 881 00:43:15,066 --> 00:43:16,335 I would be very happy. 882 00:43:19,169 --> 00:43:21,404 ♪ (SUSPENSE MUSIC CONCLUDE) ♪ 883 00:43:21,473 --> 00:43:25,010 (CELL PHONE RINGS) 884 00:43:26,544 --> 00:43:27,976 STEPHEN: Hello. 885 00:43:28,045 --> 00:43:30,807 JAY: Hi, Stephen. It's me again. 886 00:43:30,876 --> 00:43:31,813 Hello. 887 00:43:31,882 --> 00:43:35,250 I still don't know anything about that Margie or Ron, 888 00:43:35,319 --> 00:43:38,057 either of the two, have done something to Jennifer. 889 00:43:38,890 --> 00:43:41,757 Jay, when you read these documents 890 00:43:41,826 --> 00:43:44,926 and you take into account all the other things: 891 00:43:44,995 --> 00:43:48,764 the four different teams of sniffer dogs 892 00:43:48,833 --> 00:43:50,031 that they had positive results 893 00:43:50,100 --> 00:43:51,901 under the house of my parents, 894 00:43:51,970 --> 00:43:55,203 that my father didn't tell him to his family 895 00:43:55,272 --> 00:44:01,042 that Jennifer disappeared for at least seven years 896 00:44:01,111 --> 00:44:05,113 -after the fact, that... -Stephen, he told your grandmother 897 00:44:05,182 --> 00:44:07,317 about a week after it happened. 898 00:44:07,386 --> 00:44:08,450 It's not true. 899 00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:10,019 -Yeah. It is. -Yeah. It is. 900 00:44:10,088 --> 00:44:11,987 -No. It isn't true. -JAY: Your dad... 901 00:44:12,056 --> 00:44:13,723 -It's not. Okay? -JAY: According to... 902 00:44:13,792 --> 00:44:15,024 According to your dad... 903 00:44:15,093 --> 00:44:17,025 STEPHEN: Okay. The matter It's just that I have spoken with them. 904 00:44:17,094 --> 00:44:21,329 They didn't know for at least seven years. 905 00:44:21,398 --> 00:44:23,365 I have spoken with Sharon Rose, 906 00:44:23,434 --> 00:44:26,067 what was he talking about on the phone with Jennifer 907 00:44:26,136 --> 00:44:28,769 when they fought at night in which he disappeared. 908 00:44:28,838 --> 00:44:31,673 my parents failed in the polygraph test. 909 00:44:31,742 --> 00:44:33,609 Why did they wait three days? 910 00:44:33,678 --> 00:44:35,044 to call the police? 911 00:44:35,113 --> 00:44:37,646 Because that's what the note he said to do. 912 00:44:37,715 --> 00:44:39,214 They really believed what the note said. 913 00:44:39,283 --> 00:44:41,450 -STEPHEN: Good. OK. -JAY: They thought so. Of course 914 00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,784 -that they believed the note. -STEPHEN: So, if you believed it, 915 00:44:43,853 --> 00:44:46,856 and wanted to follow all the indications of the note, 916 00:44:46,925 --> 00:44:48,724 this one also said to put money 917 00:44:48,793 --> 00:44:50,425 in the bank account from Jennifer, 918 00:44:50,494 --> 00:44:52,993 -but they never did. -That's how it is. We never did. 919 00:44:53,062 --> 00:44:56,726 Good. Why did they only do some things and not all? 920 00:44:56,795 --> 00:44:59,602 I don't think they canceled the appointment. with the doctor either. 921 00:44:59,671 --> 00:45:00,836 Okay. You are digressing. 922 00:45:00,905 --> 00:45:02,705 -You know that... -We are not deviating. 923 00:45:02,774 --> 00:45:04,906 We are not deviating at all. 924 00:45:04,975 --> 00:45:07,009 -It's ridiculous. -RON: No. 925 00:45:07,078 --> 00:45:08,678 You need to think clearly. 926 00:45:08,747 --> 00:45:10,613 I'm thinking clearly. 927 00:45:10,682 --> 00:45:12,114 -Know? -No, I don't... 928 00:45:12,183 --> 00:45:13,716 STEPHEN: You don't have good answers. 929 00:45:13,785 --> 00:45:15,084 Well the fact that they could 930 00:45:15,153 --> 00:45:17,086 get rid of the body It's ridiculous. 931 00:45:17,155 --> 00:45:18,686 I mean, where would they put it? 932 00:45:18,755 --> 00:45:20,388 I don't know why Don't you ask my dad? 933 00:45:20,457 --> 00:45:23,025 He drew a map when he failed his polygraph. 934 00:45:23,094 --> 00:45:25,027 -A map to where? -RON: A map to where? 935 00:45:25,096 --> 00:45:26,995 Where is the body from Jennifer, 936 00:45:27,064 --> 00:45:28,530 behind the mill pond. 937 00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:30,999 No, you better check carefully 938 00:45:31,068 --> 00:45:34,736 because what they asked me What I did was draw 939 00:45:34,805 --> 00:45:36,772 the back of the property 940 00:45:36,841 --> 00:45:38,007 and then they asked me 941 00:45:38,076 --> 00:45:40,408 what was on the other side from the pond 942 00:45:40,477 --> 00:45:43,111 and my answer was: "A forest." 943 00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:47,116 Well I'm just telling you what they have told me, 944 00:45:47,185 --> 00:45:49,985 and the police don't have any reason to lie to me. 945 00:45:50,054 --> 00:45:51,720 Are you sure about that? 946 00:45:51,789 --> 00:45:52,954 STEPHEN: Yes, I'm sure of that. 947 00:45:53,023 --> 00:45:54,624 When I confronted you about this 948 00:45:54,693 --> 00:45:56,625 in prison in Oklahoma, 949 00:45:56,694 --> 00:45:58,159 What did you tell me, dad? 950 00:45:58,228 --> 00:46:00,763 Did you say that hypothetically what? 951 00:46:00,832 --> 00:46:04,266 RON: Hey, I said, hypothetically... 952 00:46:04,335 --> 00:46:07,439 Do you want me to say that your mother Did he do it or something? 953 00:46:08,340 --> 00:46:09,337 STEPHEN: No. 954 00:46:09,406 --> 00:46:11,534 You said that hypothetically you hit Jennifer 955 00:46:11,603 --> 00:46:13,208 and she fell and hit his head. 956 00:46:13,277 --> 00:46:15,610 And then you said, "Do you want take the blame for this 957 00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:18,146 for your mother? "I'll take the blame." 958 00:46:18,215 --> 00:46:20,783 What is your way to say you did it. 959 00:46:20,852 --> 00:46:22,618 Besides Jennifer 960 00:46:22,687 --> 00:46:24,920 leaving the house, 961 00:46:24,989 --> 00:46:27,923 is there anything else that can convince you 962 00:46:27,992 --> 00:46:30,829 that your father had nothing what to do with this? 963 00:46:31,596 --> 00:46:32,564 I doubt it. 964 00:46:34,893 --> 00:46:38,100 JAY: Did you have some kind of relationship? 965 00:46:38,169 --> 00:46:41,270 STEPHEN: No. It wasn't safe. be close to my father. 966 00:46:41,339 --> 00:46:42,137 (LAUGHTER) 967 00:46:42,206 --> 00:46:44,507 STEPHEN: He had... a bad temper. 968 00:46:44,576 --> 00:46:46,842 It was unpredictable, violent 969 00:46:46,911 --> 00:46:49,544 and abusive to me and with my sister. 970 00:46:49,613 --> 00:46:52,584 and emotionally abusive with my mother. So no. 971 00:46:55,586 --> 00:46:58,220 -That's interesting. -Yes it is. 972 00:46:58,289 --> 00:47:00,450 JAY: Has he ever hit you? 973 00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:03,024 -STEPHEN: Totally. -Yeah. 974 00:47:03,093 --> 00:47:05,626 JAY: I'm not talking. to spank you. 975 00:47:05,695 --> 00:47:08,396 No. I'm talking about He has strangled me, beaten me, 976 00:47:08,465 --> 00:47:10,833 kicked, hit with a golf club. 977 00:47:10,902 --> 00:47:12,501 You name it, he's done it. 978 00:47:12,570 --> 00:47:14,069 Okay. Mm. 979 00:47:14,138 --> 00:47:16,271 JAY: This is why. for which I asked, 980 00:47:16,340 --> 00:47:19,975 you need to talk to your dad and with your mother, 981 00:47:20,044 --> 00:47:22,377 and I feel very sorry for your mom right now. 982 00:47:22,446 --> 00:47:24,645 -I am very sorry for that woman. -STEPHEN: Well, you know what? 983 00:47:24,714 --> 00:47:28,684 I feel sorry for her too. And I'm angry because... 984 00:47:28,753 --> 00:47:31,987 my father involved her in this 985 00:47:32,056 --> 00:47:35,757 and has stolen any type of life because of this. 986 00:47:35,826 --> 00:47:37,760 Believe what you want, Stephen. 987 00:47:37,829 --> 00:47:39,494 Now, Stephen, you have to understand that. 988 00:47:39,563 --> 00:47:42,030 Ron has nothing to do with it with what you believe. 989 00:47:42,099 --> 00:47:45,004 RON: And when was the last time what did you talk to her? 990 00:47:45,304 --> 00:47:46,471 Mm... 991 00:47:49,241 --> 00:47:50,372 I don't know. 992 00:47:50,441 --> 00:47:51,439 It's been a while. 993 00:47:51,508 --> 00:47:55,678 Yes. So really do you think i did it? 994 00:47:55,747 --> 00:47:56,979 STEPHEN: Yes. 995 00:47:57,048 --> 00:47:58,814 -Okay. Mm -JAY: Okay. 996 00:47:58,883 --> 00:48:00,782 Well, have a good day. 997 00:48:00,851 --> 00:48:02,287 Let's talk later. 998 00:48:06,090 --> 00:48:09,294 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 999 00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:17,336 That was surreal. 1000 00:48:21,806 --> 00:48:22,871 I feel 1001 00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:25,507 as if it were surrounded by crazy people. 1002 00:48:25,576 --> 00:48:26,576 I... 1003 00:48:26,645 --> 00:48:29,240 Conversations like this 1004 00:48:29,309 --> 00:48:31,116 they drive me crazy, 1005 00:48:31,416 --> 00:48:33,052 you know? 1006 00:48:34,985 --> 00:48:39,220 For me, I don't know how anyone you can read this 1007 00:48:39,289 --> 00:48:42,223 and say that it is not conclusive. 1008 00:48:42,292 --> 00:48:46,194 CYNTHIA: Sharon said that He heard it on the phone. 1009 00:48:46,263 --> 00:48:48,798 And the way you described it, 1010 00:48:48,867 --> 00:48:50,899 he got angry with her for talking on the phone. 1011 00:48:50,968 --> 00:48:52,367 (COUGH) Could be. 1012 00:48:52,436 --> 00:48:54,770 If it had already happened your bedtime, 1013 00:48:54,839 --> 00:48:56,271 I would have told him to put down the phone. 1014 00:48:56,340 --> 00:48:58,239 Yes I can see myself doing that. 1015 00:48:58,308 --> 00:49:00,009 JAY: I can see. that you are strict. 1016 00:49:00,078 --> 00:49:03,979 I can totally see that. 100 percent. 1017 00:49:04,048 --> 00:49:08,718 But I can't imagine you being physically abusive, 1018 00:49:08,787 --> 00:49:09,951 no, i can't. 1019 00:49:10,020 --> 00:49:11,854 Do you think Margie Was I afraid of you? 1020 00:49:11,923 --> 00:49:13,125 No. 1021 00:49:14,191 --> 00:49:17,393 No, no. Not that I know of, no. 1022 00:49:17,462 --> 00:49:18,597 It's crazy. 1023 00:49:20,298 --> 00:49:23,668 Am I crazy? You understand? 1024 00:49:25,002 --> 00:49:26,538 I just... 1025 00:49:27,605 --> 00:49:29,008 I feel like this. 1026 00:49:32,009 --> 00:49:34,975 I don't know what else I can do right now. 1027 00:49:37,782 --> 00:49:40,716 (INHALE) I feel like I've tried everything 1028 00:49:40,785 --> 00:49:42,121 over the years. 1029 00:49:47,925 --> 00:49:51,559 MARGIE: I don't know if I ever we will have a relationship. 1030 00:49:51,628 --> 00:49:54,296 I don't know if I ever can you put that aside 1031 00:49:54,365 --> 00:49:56,265 and understand that I am here. 1032 00:49:56,334 --> 00:49:58,967 I'm here for him, I feel your pain, 1033 00:49:59,036 --> 00:50:00,572 I myself have pain. 1034 00:50:01,967 --> 00:50:06,374 CYNTHIA: I think the assumption by Stephen 1035 00:50:06,443 --> 00:50:09,544 is that the note was in the case file, 1036 00:50:09,613 --> 00:50:12,214 and that you had it makes her suspicious. 1037 00:50:12,283 --> 00:50:15,851 MARGIE: Regarding the file 1038 00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,786 of the missing case, I can't say 1039 00:50:18,855 --> 00:50:22,525 I remember seeing it, that Ron had it. 1040 00:50:22,594 --> 00:50:24,459 But inside me... 1041 00:50:24,528 --> 00:50:28,664 something wants me to say that yes he had it. 1042 00:50:28,733 --> 00:50:32,337 Something in my mind tells me that... 1043 00:50:33,605 --> 00:50:34,631 I had it. 1044 00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:38,310 And how he did it, I don't know. 1045 00:50:42,914 --> 00:50:44,613 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1046 00:50:44,682 --> 00:50:46,681 NARRATOR: March, 2018. 1047 00:50:46,750 --> 00:50:51,186 STEPHEN: Let's do one. search with sniffer dogs 1048 00:50:51,255 --> 00:50:54,155 at Kingsmill, where my father drew this map. 1049 00:50:54,224 --> 00:50:57,692 This would be the second. They already did one before. 1050 00:50:57,761 --> 00:51:00,762 Wendi wants to do it again, so we will do it, 1051 00:51:00,831 --> 00:51:03,065 and I hope they find something. 1052 00:51:03,134 --> 00:51:05,337 (INDICATOR CLICK) 1053 00:51:07,305 --> 00:51:08,903 -Nice to see you. -STEPHEN: I'm glad to see you. 1054 00:51:08,972 --> 00:51:11,139 -WENDI: How are you? Good. -STEPHEN: Good. How are you? 1055 00:51:11,208 --> 00:51:12,675 OFFICER 1: Tell me what were these houses like? 1056 00:51:12,744 --> 00:51:13,642 in '87. 1057 00:51:13,711 --> 00:51:15,110 -I think... -Were these houses there? 1058 00:51:15,179 --> 00:51:16,544 -Yeah. Everything was there. -OFFICER 1: Okay. 1059 00:51:16,613 --> 00:51:18,542 OFFICER 2: Do we have some reason to believe 1060 00:51:18,611 --> 00:51:20,048 that an altercation occurred 1061 00:51:20,117 --> 00:51:21,283 -in these areas... -DONNIE: No. 1062 00:51:21,352 --> 00:51:22,550 ...or is it just a guess? 1063 00:51:22,619 --> 00:51:25,621 DONNIE: I think they hid a body 1064 00:51:25,690 --> 00:51:28,256 or they got rid of it. 1065 00:51:28,325 --> 00:51:30,591 well i think that we have a plan. 1066 00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:33,795 WENDI: Do you have the number from Jake's cell phone? 1067 00:51:33,864 --> 00:51:35,096 You can call him. 1068 00:51:35,165 --> 00:51:36,898 I wanted to talk to you while you were here. 1069 00:51:36,967 --> 00:51:38,000 Clear. 1070 00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:40,564 (STARTS ENGINE) 1071 00:51:40,633 --> 00:51:42,070 STEPHEN: Good luck. 1072 00:51:42,139 --> 00:51:43,571 -I will return and inform you... -Yes. 1073 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,074 -about what we found. -Okay. 1074 00:51:45,143 --> 00:51:46,675 I'll see you back at the hotel later. 1075 00:51:46,744 --> 00:51:47,879 Yes. 1076 00:51:50,948 --> 00:51:54,153 ♪ (SUSPENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1077 00:52:03,828 --> 00:52:04,863 OFFICER 1: Are you ready? 1078 00:52:06,565 --> 00:52:07,532 Search! 1079 00:52:11,068 --> 00:52:14,439 (BIRDS SINGING) 1080 00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:20,541 (RINGTONE) 1081 00:52:20,610 --> 00:52:22,243 JAKE RICE: Speak researcher Rice. 1082 00:52:22,312 --> 00:52:23,907 Hello, Jake. This is Stephen. 1083 00:52:23,976 --> 00:52:25,447 -JAKE: Hello. -Hello how are you? 1084 00:52:25,516 --> 00:52:28,516 JAKE: I wanted to know if I could go to the office. 1085 00:52:28,585 --> 00:52:30,050 -I just want to talk to you. -Yes, yes. 1086 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:33,116 JAKE: Not with the producers or with the camera crew. 1087 00:52:33,185 --> 00:52:35,827 Yes, yes. Alright. I can do it now if you want. 1088 00:52:37,661 --> 00:52:39,795 CYNTHIA: What can you tell me about Jake? 1089 00:52:39,864 --> 00:52:41,329 STEPHEN: Jake Rice, 1090 00:52:41,398 --> 00:52:44,133 he's the guy in charge of the investigation. 1091 00:52:44,202 --> 00:52:46,405 we will go see what he has to say. 1092 00:52:47,905 --> 00:52:48,873 (CLOSE CAR DOOR) 1093 00:52:57,681 --> 00:53:00,649 -STEPHEN: How is everything going? -JAKE: Working, working. 1094 00:53:00,718 --> 00:53:02,487 What I'm doing is to bring it here 1095 00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:04,789 to update it. 1096 00:53:24,308 --> 00:53:27,704 Okay. They found the case file. 1097 00:53:27,773 --> 00:53:30,178 -CYNTHIA: What? -That's how it is. 1098 00:53:30,247 --> 00:53:32,981 They found the file of the case 1099 00:53:33,050 --> 00:53:35,854 buried at the bottom of... 1100 00:53:36,854 --> 00:53:39,522 (CLICKS TONGUE) ...the testing room 1101 00:53:39,591 --> 00:53:41,356 in a box somewhere. 1102 00:53:41,425 --> 00:53:43,795 They found the file original of the case. 1103 00:54:01,980 --> 00:54:03,415 Do you want to hear this? 1104 00:54:04,648 --> 00:54:06,514 JAKE: (ON RECORDING) I want to let you know 1105 00:54:06,583 --> 00:54:09,151 what we have the original case file. 1106 00:54:09,220 --> 00:54:11,954 Which has been located... 1107 00:54:12,023 --> 00:54:14,123 -STEPHEN: Okay. -JAKE: Inside the apartment 1108 00:54:14,192 --> 00:54:15,358 in the records area. 1109 00:54:15,427 --> 00:54:16,591 STEPHEN: Okay. 1110 00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:19,928 JAKE: I can tell you. that, when reading the file, 1111 00:54:19,997 --> 00:54:22,430 their parents, in many of the things they said 1112 00:54:22,499 --> 00:54:23,965 They were telling the truth. 1113 00:54:24,034 --> 00:54:27,069 There are things there that show that were actively contacting 1114 00:54:27,138 --> 00:54:28,999 to this department. 1115 00:54:29,068 --> 00:54:31,373 Placing ads and other things. 1116 00:54:31,442 --> 00:54:33,042 I can tell you than the original note 1117 00:54:33,111 --> 00:54:35,311 was never in custody of this department. 1118 00:54:35,380 --> 00:54:36,811 STEPHEN: Yes. 1119 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,814 JAKE: Because that's something else. Why was the original note 1120 00:54:38,883 --> 00:54:41,416 -at your mother's house? -STEPHEN: True. Yes. 1121 00:54:41,485 --> 00:54:43,785 JAKE: It's because the officer he never took the original note. 1122 00:54:43,854 --> 00:54:45,720 They took a copy. And that's what's there. 1123 00:54:45,789 --> 00:54:48,824 We also had the records dental on file. 1124 00:54:48,893 --> 00:54:49,957 STEPHEN: I see. 1125 00:54:50,026 --> 00:54:52,627 JAKE: So there's a lot of things. that previously generated 1126 00:54:52,696 --> 00:54:56,298 a lot of suspicion, that, when locating this file, 1127 00:54:56,367 --> 00:54:58,567 we have been able... 1128 00:54:58,636 --> 00:55:01,340 -understand that they make sense. -STEPHEN: Very good. 1129 00:55:10,248 --> 00:55:11,414 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) 1130 00:55:11,483 --> 00:55:13,385 STEPHEN: Yes, come in. 1131 00:55:14,418 --> 00:55:17,186 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1132 00:55:17,255 --> 00:55:18,687 How did it go? 1133 00:55:18,756 --> 00:55:20,722 WENDI: They went with three dogs. 1134 00:55:20,791 --> 00:55:22,825 and showed some interest in the area, 1135 00:55:22,894 --> 00:55:27,095 but they did not indicate that there was nothing there. 1136 00:55:27,164 --> 00:55:31,533 If the theory is that something happened 1137 00:55:31,602 --> 00:55:34,136 and they took your sister out of the house, 1138 00:55:34,205 --> 00:55:37,106 so it seems more likely 1139 00:55:37,175 --> 00:55:38,810 that they would have gone in a car. 1140 00:55:41,012 --> 00:55:42,377 TRUE. 1141 00:55:42,446 --> 00:55:46,115 What opens the door to any place. 1142 00:55:46,184 --> 00:55:47,419 STEPHEN: Sure. 1143 00:55:48,019 --> 00:55:50,585 I went to see Jake 1144 00:55:50,654 --> 00:55:53,425 and told me that they found the case file. 1145 00:55:54,491 --> 00:55:56,258 He said there were some things new to him, 1146 00:55:56,327 --> 00:55:58,060 but did not give more details. 1147 00:55:58,129 --> 00:55:59,728 It's difficult to understand it. 1148 00:55:59,797 --> 00:56:00,696 Clear. 1149 00:56:00,765 --> 00:56:02,565 It's a lot to process in one day. 1150 00:56:02,634 --> 00:56:04,833 That's how it is. In a couple of hours. 1151 00:56:04,902 --> 00:56:06,038 That's how it is. 1152 00:56:09,306 --> 00:56:10,809 (SIGH) God. 1153 00:56:11,643 --> 00:56:14,679 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1154 00:56:19,616 --> 00:56:22,150 JAKE: The file was located. original of the case. 1155 00:56:22,219 --> 00:56:24,819 It was located within our records division. 1156 00:56:24,888 --> 00:56:27,990 CYNTHIA: What changed for you? When did that happen? 1157 00:56:28,059 --> 00:56:28,957 CASE INVESTIGATOR 1158 00:56:29,026 --> 00:56:31,260 What changed there was information there 1159 00:56:31,329 --> 00:56:33,428 that we had never had, 1160 00:56:33,497 --> 00:56:35,297 different names were there. 1161 00:56:35,366 --> 00:56:37,299 gave us a little more perspective 1162 00:56:37,368 --> 00:56:40,235 about what parents they told us. 1163 00:56:40,304 --> 00:56:41,804 When searching that file, 1164 00:56:41,873 --> 00:56:44,139 it can be said that the mother and the father 1165 00:56:44,208 --> 00:56:48,043 They were very active in the case when she disappeared. 1166 00:56:48,112 --> 00:56:50,211 They were handing out flyers 1167 00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:52,918 and in constant contact with the police department. 1168 00:56:53,951 --> 00:56:55,750 CYNTHIA: Do the parents they continue to occupy 1169 00:56:55,819 --> 00:56:58,519 an important place on your list of suspects? 1170 00:56:58,588 --> 00:56:59,983 JAKE: They were. at home with her. 1171 00:57:00,052 --> 00:57:01,791 They were the last to see her. 1172 00:57:01,860 --> 00:57:04,827 So, Ron and Margie They are suspicious 1173 00:57:04,896 --> 00:57:08,464 as long as we do not have information 1174 00:57:08,533 --> 00:57:11,536 or evidence that exonerates them. 1175 00:57:15,539 --> 00:57:16,772 STEPHEN: The fact that... 1176 00:57:16,841 --> 00:57:18,940 now they have found the case file, 1177 00:57:19,009 --> 00:57:19,975 does anything change? 1178 00:57:20,044 --> 00:57:22,812 I'm sure it gives you to the current researcher 1179 00:57:22,881 --> 00:57:25,381 items to do a follow-up. 1180 00:57:25,450 --> 00:57:26,916 I understand. 1181 00:57:26,985 --> 00:57:28,951 It's just new information to verify. 1182 00:57:29,020 --> 00:57:30,452 It seems that... 1183 00:57:30,521 --> 00:57:33,222 everything they did my parents were the opposite... 1184 00:57:33,291 --> 00:57:34,322 I understand. 1185 00:57:34,391 --> 00:57:36,158 STEPHEN: ...to which the others would do. 1186 00:57:36,227 --> 00:57:38,626 Yes. And with the note, 1187 00:57:38,695 --> 00:57:41,464 no smart person would do something to a child 1188 00:57:41,533 --> 00:57:43,633 and I would return home 1189 00:57:43,702 --> 00:57:45,266 to leave a note 1190 00:57:45,335 --> 00:57:47,269 and risk getting caught. 1191 00:57:47,338 --> 00:57:49,365 Okay. Well, what's next, Donnie? 1192 00:57:49,434 --> 00:57:54,076 I have always wanted Interview your mother. 1193 00:57:54,145 --> 00:57:55,643 STEPHEN: Yes. Sure. 1194 00:57:55,712 --> 00:57:58,117 DONNIE: It's going to be a difficult interview. 1195 00:57:58,749 --> 00:58:00,916 I think she knows better. 1196 00:58:00,985 --> 00:58:05,186 I don't know if you know... all the details. 1197 00:58:05,255 --> 00:58:07,689 I think if my father had... 1198 00:58:07,758 --> 00:58:10,960 able to save the details for himself, 1199 00:58:11,029 --> 00:58:12,061 I would have done it, 1200 00:58:12,130 --> 00:58:13,429 but I don't think there's any doubt 1201 00:58:13,498 --> 00:58:15,100 that she knows more. 1202 00:58:17,635 --> 00:58:19,771 CYNTHIA: Do you think this case do you have a solution? 1203 00:58:20,037 --> 00:58:21,036 Yes. 1204 00:58:21,105 --> 00:58:23,808 I think that all cases They are solvable. 1205 00:58:24,643 --> 00:58:26,642 Some take much longer. 1206 00:58:26,711 --> 00:58:28,711 Some of them have... 1207 00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:32,247 a little luck, and... 1208 00:58:32,316 --> 00:58:36,218 I think we will get there to a conclusion in this case. 1209 00:58:36,287 --> 00:58:40,625 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1210 00:59:25,303 --> 00:59:31,143 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪